Vector Summer Job Scam: It Started With A Letter

I wanted to start off by saying, I was driving with a friend who happens to have sold many products door to door. At the time I couldn’t remember the name of the company, but I told her I did a little research and apparently it turns out that it was selling knives.

My friend replied, “Do you mean the Vector scam!” I replied, “Yeah, that’s the name of the company, Vector!” She said, “I know that company and why are you researching them?”

In this article, I’m going to go over some details about Vector. Why my friend used the phrase, Vector scam, why I call it the Vector deceptive mail along with letters to students.

Specs About Vector


vector review

Product Name: Vector
Year: 1985
Free Access: Yes
Price: Varies depending on deposit for sample kits
Website URL: vectormarketing.com
BeginAtZero.com Overall Rating: 6/10


Here Is How It Started

My daughter got a letter in the mail. I gave her the letter. She read it and handed it to me and told me it looks like a pretty cool summer job.

I read the letter and I’m like hmm! Let me research it and see what I find out. When I did my research, I knew when I met with my friend I’d ask her about it.

Back To The Conversation My Friend And I Had


My friend said, “Noticed how I knew the name Vector right off the bat!” I replied, “Yeah, how did you know.” She told me, “Because she was familiar with the company and tried selling knives for them.”

She said, “They want you to buy these knives and then sell them to your friends and family.”

I replied, “I think a while back someone did try to sell me knives but I said no. From what I remembered, the knives were very expensive and then they tried to downsell me. But I stuck to my guns and said NO! Especially because they downsold me.” “I can’t remember the brand of knives they were trying to sell to me because it was so long ago.”

I Discussed The Letter With My Friend


the vector letter

My friend asked me, “How did I hear about Vector?”

I told her, “My daughter got a letter in the mail about a summer job.”

My friend said, “OMG, now they are going after students.”

I said, “I guess so!”

Then I said, “What stuck with me about the letter was the great pay part. It said $20 base-appt. The reason why it stuck with me was that it didn’t say $20 an hour or any pay that naturally made sense. When I was thinking about the appt part of the letter, I’m thinking appointments.”

I asked my friend do people get paid by appointments?

She said, “It was a long time ago, but she said she believed so. She remembers the name so vividly because she felt it was a scam.”

I asked her why she felt it was a scam?

She told me they make you buy their Knives and create a list of everyone you know to try to sell these knives.

I told her, I don’t think this is an MLM business scheme, but they sure sound like it. They make you buy their products, make a list of people you know and then try to sell these knives to them.

Then my friend replied, “Keep your daughter far away from them.”

I Like To Dig, So I Did More Research


When I started to dig, I’m thinking back to the conversation that I had with my friend.

One of my research was to find out if Vector was an MLM company.

According to Wikipedia, they seemed to have indicated that.

I wanted more data about their MLM business model and how their comp plan worked however, I couldn’t find any comp plan similar to an MLM downline.

What I did find out is that there are some similarities to a Multi-Level Marketing business model based on what I mentioned above.

You make a list of your friends and family and you sell their products to them. Then you build your list by asking people who you are in contact with for their list of friends and family.

Why Do I Call Vector’s Letter Deceptive


The letter implies like you are applying for a job, which is not the case. If you are applying for a job, and get hired, you get hired based on an hourly or salary wage.

The letter also entices you with great pay. It says the starting pay is excellent.

They also imply that you don’t need any experience and they will teach you everything you need to succeed, which in my book is another enticing lure.

The way that Vector recruits people is by going after the youth. If you look at the people on their website and at the video above, most of the people are young.

If you’re young or were young and by putting yourself in youth shoes, the website is appealing and I don’t know about you but for me, it would grab my attention to apply because it seems like young people are running the show.

Not only that, I looked up Vector knives and you can buy them on Amazon and eBay. Why do they need these kids’ info to sell these knives when you can clearly buy them online?

What I Found Out About Base-Appt.


My friend was correct that you can get paid based on appointments. If you think about it though, people can get lured into selling these knives because getting paid by making appointments sound much more appealing than getting paid per sale.

Your whole goal isn’t just to make appointments though, your whole goal is to sell these knives.

There Are Some Rules To These Base-Appt.

vector requirements

Before you start thinking about all your buddies, your crew or your squad that you think you can set up these appointments for, Vector has rules regarding the people they want you to make appointments for.

The people they want you to set these appointments for are people who are married, at least 30 and working on a permanent basis. The presentation must be demonstrated to the employed spouse.

Once a full presentation is done, you must submit your presentation report to the office manager for tracking purposes.

So Let’s Do Some Math Here


I brought up math because your time is money. We all have the same amount of time and that is 24 hours a day 7 days a week.

The first step is to make a list of people you know who are at least 30 years old, married and working permanently.

Depending on how big your family is or who you know, you probably trimmed your list to a half page.

Then you have to make the time to contact these qualified candidates to set up these appointments.

Not only that, you have to drive or find transportation to get to the location to make the presentation.

If you are able to achieve that goal, now you’d spend your time demonstrating the knives to your potential sale.

Let say they didn’t purchase these knives. Now you have drive back home, write a report about your presentation.

Finally, you’d have to go to the Vector’s local office and give the office manager your qualified presentation report so you can get paid $20.

I’m not saying that these tasks are not attainable at all. What I’m getting at here is that YOU have to think about what is really going on if you want to move forward with Vector and decide for yourself if it is worth your time.

You have to be organized because if you are able to make appointments, people are expecting you to show up because their time is money too.

Finding potential clients are not based on pay, it’s based on potential pay. So ask yourself, are these task to make $20 worth your time?

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About Buying The Knives


vector start up costs

Remember how my friend said the Vector scam because they make you buy these knives. Back in the day that was the case.

Now from what I read, Vector requires a deposit for these knives that you will use for your demonstrations.

vector refund

I don’t know what the exact amount the deposit is, but if you were to leave Vector to get your deposit back, you will have to return the knives.

I started to think about the deposit for the knives.

Being that a lot of these potential sale reps are young, I’m a mom and know how children are based on me being a mother and having nieces and nephews along with my friend’s children.

I’m not hating on young people because I was young at one time myself and I know how youths are.

Here is how the scenario goes…! I could hear my child asking me for money to sell knives.

She will bring up the deposit and me being a mom and want my daughter to succeed, I will hold her to that deposit and give her the money.

Of course, I know my child well, Lol.

Of course, she’s going to put her best foot forward for a week and then life will continue as usual.

Meaning she will quit.

Let’s Back Up A Little Bit

I haven’t read a single bad thing about Cutco knives. I’m assuming these knives are top notch. I can’t remember exactly if the person back in the day was selling Cutco knives to me, so I’m not going to assume the product is bad.

What I’m getting at here is that if my daughter had a sample knife set and I start checking them out, I might end up keeping these knives and tell my daughter, don’t worry about the deposit.

Because like I said above, I know my daughter well and she would probably last a week trying to sell knives.

I would add these knives to my knife collection and be pretty happy.

I’m pretty sure this probably happened to many parents who may experience a great value product.

They might go on Amazon and look up other knives to add to their child’s Cutco demonstration kit, LOL.

So I’m thinking Cutco is winning here by bringing potential customers through sending letters to students.

It’s quite genius, but deceptive at the same time.

Let’s Look At The Business Structure Of Vector aka Cutco Knives


vector not employed

Do you have money to make a deposit for demonstration purposes? If you don’t, understand you are not applying for a job. Remember, when a job hires people, you get paid either hourly or by salary, not by each sale or appointment made.

I know that some of you are thinking that you’ll get the deposit from your parents. I’m not hating on supportive parents either. Each family has their own way of doing things their way and it is all good.

But know that…!

You are an independent contractor for Vector. They also indicate that you are not employed by them.

More or less you are a sales rep that sells Cutco knives. If you plan on selling these knives, know that you need a set of knives to show potential customers the value of these knives.

It’s not an MLM business where there is a downline based on recruiting people. The way their comp plan work is based on sales made.

vector commissions

If you are able to sell more than 1,000 knives your commission increases based on the number of knives sold.

You start off at 10% commissions, but if you are a sales mogul, you have the potential to earn more than 30% commission based on selling more than 24,000 knives.

So Am I Going To Call Vector A Scam!


You know what, their letter is very deceptive. They could easily place ads instead of sending letters to people or young adults.

I don’t even know how they got my daughter’s name. I’m assuming that Vector purchased a list somewhere that my daughter seemed to fit their criteria as a potential rep.

In that letter, like so many reviews I’ve done, where they word their ads in a way that it seems like you fit the bill so you take the next action and it is NOT what it seems.

I wouldn’t call Vector an MLM business because they really do base their sale pay on the number of knives sold.

Their product is a quality product and people do love their knives.

However, the $20 appointment might be real except for what I read and that is, it is for a certain period.

So I will say that Vector uses scamish tactics to lure people to become sale reps. They run their line very thin of being a scam.

Leading people to call them a scam because of the tactics they use.

I Read A Very Interesting Article


Before you run off and apply, I think you should really take the time to read the article from a person who actually sold these knives.

I know my friend sold these knives before and felt that Vector is a scam. I believe she said that because back in the day they made you buy these knives.

This article I read word for word and I’ve done sales myself for various companies and I really understood and relate to what she said.

I never sold Cutco knives, but sales can feel similar.

This person made sales, but she expressed her personal feelings and you may get a feel of what you might experience if you were to take the plunge.

You can read the article here!

All In All

I also want to add, if you’re looking for work, sales jobs require your time without pay. If you are good at it you can end up becoming a millionaire or even a billionaire, but if you suck, Lol you could end up being in the red.

Vector does fall similar to an MLM business where they ask you to make a list of people you know for potential sales, but it doesn’t completely fall under that category.

I feel they use deceptive tactics to get potential Sales Rep by wording their letters that feel like a potential job when it’s not.

Know that you are going to be an independent contractor who doesn’t work for vector. You are selling Cutco knives.

If you have any questions or comments about the letter you received and your thoughts about it, feel free to let me know below, thanks!

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18 thoughts on “Vector Summer Job Scam: It Started With A Letter”

  1. Wow it is amazing that Cutco knives are still being sold in folks home out there.

    I actually remember when I was home for the summer before college, a young adult, may be about 21 or so, came to my parents house. I didn’t care less about the knives the person was selling, though they did seem like sturdy, and good knives; I was more interested in what the young lady was doing.

    I asked her how I could do what she was doing? She gave me a phone number and some information and the next day I called the number, and back in that time (Early 90’s) the knives kit was $350 and you had to purchase it. I thanked them and said unfortunately that was not going to work for me; they asked if I knew someone who could loan me the money and that I could earn that back in a week or less; I just had to make successful appointments and back then it was $14 an appointment. I told them no I unfortunately did not.

    Well I wound up just getting a regular wage based job that summer working as a waiter for a local restaurant. That same girl wound up coming into the restaurant with some friends and of course I was the one who had to wait on her. I waited till they were getting ready to go and asked the young lady if she recognized me, she said she did and said “Oh I hope you didn’t waste your time trying to sell those knives?”

    I told her what happened and she said a week after she was at my parents house, she quit because she was stressing too much on trying to get a list every time she went to someone’s house and she felt they were not a good company to work for.

    Now after reading your article and see that this form of sending out a letter, definitely does seem deceptive. They are good knives, but targeting young people to be the majority of their sales reps, sounds as if they are trying to take advantage of their naivety.

    Vector (Cutco Knives) seems as if they are for someone who has the talent to hustle and is comfortable going into strangers homes and selling them something they probably don’t need. However; that is what selling is really about, finding a need and fulfilling that need; it all depends on the persons tactics and with what level of integrity is involved.

    Robert

    • Hey Robert, I’m sure Vector goes through many reps rapidly. I’m sure a lot of people feel the same ways as the girl you mentioned.

      Like you said, it takes a certain type of person who has the talent to hustle and comfortable doing it.

      Another valid point you made is that it depends on the persons tactics and what level of integrity involved. Most people do have knives in their kitchen and a good sharpener is probably all that is needed.

      Thanks for sharing your story and thoughts, much appreciate it, Evelyn.

  2. Oh my.. Thanks for sharing this article and being so honest and detailed about your experience! I have a friend who went to one of those events for an opportunity job.

    He went and when came back he told me that there was no experience required, he had to pay an initial amount for the “training package” and then he will have to sell some services for people to switch their current home services like electricity. His pay would be based on percentage of the people who he would sell to and of the PEOPLE HE WOULD RECRUIT UNDER HIM. That is pretty much like a pyramidal scheme as there’s no product or their own service to sell..

    Well.. Guess what? Apparently here in the UK pyramid schemes are illegal yet, they managed to classify/present themselves as an MLM!

    I feel like these type of companies are becoming more sneaky and preying on the desperate. I’m glad you caught them before your daughter did anything that she could have regretted!

    • Yeah sounds like a pyramid scheme. With Vector they do have a product and their reps don’t get paid based on recruiting people to sell the same product. Vector does have some similarities, like making a list of people you know and the deposit for that sample kit. I agree with you that sneaky tactics are used to try to recruit more reps.

      Nowadays, when you get something in the mail about an opportunity, it’s best to research first. Thanks for sharing the story much appreciate it, Evelyn.

  3. Sounds like this is skirting the edge of fraud. They are seemingly offering a paid job but from the review it isn’t at all. Targeting youngsters in this way is disgraceful as many won’t look beyond the ‘pay’ and would take the letter at face value without considering the amount of work needed to get the appointments.

    A valid point that many parents would supply the deposit wanting to help their child. They are on a win win situation it seems.

    An excellent review that will hopefully be read by many people considering working for them.

  4. It seems to me that they make their money on the deposit required for using the set of knives in kit form. This only for a period of time, after that time expires, I would imagine they would have to pay another deposit for the kit.

    This is very demoralizing, they could have bought the set themselves if they have to keep paying a deposit for the kit!

    I would be very wary of an opportunity like this. Especially if I’m forking out money to get to the venue and back home and then there is still no sale. For people wanting to earn from not having any money, this is a sure way to get into debt very quickly, and because it is only allowed to be one-on-one sales appointments, this can become quite costly!

    • I believe the deposit is a one time fee. According to their terms, I believe yearly you might have to renew your contract. Now I’m assuming this, but they may recommend upgraded knives for demonstration purposes.

  5. I laughed out loud when I saw the title of your article.

    I am going to date myself – but, in the late 70’s I knew some peeps who sold knives. Good ones as I recall. They went office to office and the good sales peeps did very well.

    One person organized these crews, bought volumes of knife sets up front, and then gave commissions at the end of every week.

    I know this top dog was really getting rich!

    These crews also sold metal etchings and costume jewelry.

    In the early nineties a person came into the office where I was working – and he had the knives! I ended up buying a set because I actually needed them. But the box sat in the trunk of my car for a few days. On the weekend I needed a repair and hired a friend’s mechanic. We haggled over the price for each item of repair. He saw the knives in the trunk of my car. I was spending more than I wanted and told him so.

    He said “I’ll take the knives for that item. Hired! lol

    I appreciate your caveat with this review. Personally, if I could sell anything I’d be selling mega mansions or Porches!

    Know what I mean?

    I do affiliate marketing, but that’s different.

    • Lol, You just brought a memory! I remember utensils being sold in offices back in the late 80’s and early 90’s, Lol. My sibling purchased a set it look nice but, they were the cheapest set of utensils I’ve ever used, Lol

      As for affiliate marketing, I agree with you it is different than selling.

      Selling products to people depend on the buying level a person is at.

      If you’re cold selling to someone, it’s quite difficult because the prospect had no intent of purchasing any of the products or services that are being represented to them.

      As for someone walking into a store, the sales opportunity increases because the prospect are more than likely at the store to buy.

      That is why Cutco gears their reps towards friends and family because it warms them up to the idea of purchasing their knives and the sales person is someone they are familiar with that can increase the changes of purchases.

      I agree with you that affiliate marketing is a little different. You don’t have to sell anything to friends or family. A lot of people do well in this field because people purchase products and services based on your opinions.

      Affiliate Marketing is a growing industry that many people are doing.

      The best way to increase success is to get proper training with services like Wealthy Affiliate.

      Thanks for sharing your story, wish you the best, Evelyn.

  6. My daughter has been looking for a part-time job to fit in between her studies at university and has been been looking at a number of things. I’m pretty sure she mentioned being interested in a company that sells knives so I’m definitely going to get her to read your excellent review before she does anything.

    This has been a very helpful read and I’m really glad I found it. I must admit I was a bit uneasy at the thought of her selling knives anyway so hopefully this will get her to look elsewhere.

    • Hey David, I feel you about our children selling knives, it would make me feel uneasy too. There are some other opportunities that your daughter might find useful here.

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts, best of luck to you and your daughter, Evelyn.

  7. From reading the article, they maybe targeting the youth. Knowingly they are more likely to have little to none experience. Their deception of getting you to think you are working for Vector, when you are not.

    There are lots and lots of scams out there. It’s people like you that brings these things to light.

    Good article, thanks.

    • Yeah, even my daughter said it sounded like a pretty cool job. Obviously people are not actually obtaining employment. Pretty much anyone will have access to the opportunity. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Evelyn

  8. Hello and thank you for this informative article. I really enjoyed reading. I never tried Vector, but some of my friends did and they had mixed experiences with this company. As you very well put, their requirements is quite high and not all can fit in their business model and profile.

    Also, after reading your article I will avoid them. Whenever I see any type of an MLM model I am very cautious. Thank you for showcasing this company. You are doing a great job for others out there online seeking reliable income source.

    Strahinja.

    • Hello, I wouldn’t call Vector an MLM business, they do have some similarities such as making a list of your friends and family and trying to build that list by asking your friends and family for referrals. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and I wish you the best, Evelyn.

  9. I enjoyed reading this review and read it from beginning to end because it kept my interest going. I agree with you that you would have to be a really good sales person to be able to sell knives to people, who mostly already have knives, as this is one of the first things you buy when you set up house.

    I must admit that the Vector company is clever to target the youth, as they are the most vulnerable and desperate to make it on their own. They are the ones looking to earn money as fast as possible so they can get started with their lives.

    I agree, keep your daughter well away from this company and rather teach her to write good reviews, just as you have done here.

    • Hey Michel, Yep people do have knives and you’re right it is one of the first items we purchase when we move into our own place. People do like Cutco knives however, when you look at the price tag for knives and the ones you already own, people may just invest in a nice knife sharpener.

      I know my daughter well and I even told her what this summer job was about and she said she isn’t interested. Like you said, they know that college students are more vulnerable and letters like what my daughter got seems like the answer but it’s not exactly as what they really will be doing.

      Thanks for your compliment and taking the time to read my review, I appreciate your time and wish you the best, Evelyn.

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